User:Ironwestie/Archive 1

GorillaMan Chat (Archive)

This is part of the conversation that took place on 17:11, July 16, 2013 (UTC) as a reply to this thread.


 * GorillaMan Is it better to have an infobox or text?


 * 8:57 Ironwestie I see your point, though you have to keep in mind that some want detailed information about a subject, whilst others wish to just glance at statistics.


 * I'm going to look for some examples of infoboxes and text on different wikis.


 * 8:58 GorillaMan I think we can both agree that the tables cover the "statistics at the glance"


 * part


 * 8:59 Ironwestie Yes.


 * 9:00 GorillaMan http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/KAP-40


 * 9:00 Ironwestie or http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Ratonhnhaké:ton


 * On the KAP-40 page, those statistics are repeated.


 * Though they have more detail about them.


 * Welcome to the Hay Day Wiki chat


 * 9:02 Ironwestie Darn it.


 * I accidentally closed my window.


 * 9:02 GorillaMan I just want to clear one thing up, I am not saying NO DUPLICATE INFORMATION AT ALL


 * 9:02 Ironwestie


 * nods*


 * 9:03 GorillaMan However


 * looking at the cow page: Cow


 * 9:03 Ironwestie Ah, I see what you mean.


 * 9:03 GorillaMan In the infobox we have Cost of each animal (by amount):


 * and the statistics


 * while just on the left of the infobox we have EXACTLY the same information


 * 9:04 Ironwestie I think that a simple solution would be to just remove the duplicate content outside the infobox. I am at fault for that issue.


 * When I was creating the new Animal template, I used the existing statistics on the page.


 * on the pages for each respective animal*


 * Let me try removing that duplicate content.


 * 9:05 GorillaMan If we start removing such duplicate information we will be left with each page looking like Goat Milk


 * 9:06 Ironwestie A major problem is certainly the lack of new information.


 * Meaning information not covered in the infobox.


 * 9:07 GorillaMan I wouldn't mind having some duplicate information if there was more detail about it


 * 9:07 Ironwestie That's my point.


 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(137,151,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">9:08 GorillaMan Again coming back to my point I don't think any of as could write a proper paragraph on cows though


 * However I do believe some bullet points (with at least a little bit of extra info) could appear


 * This is again why I have updated my layout to include the Summery section in which users can add these bullet points


 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(137,151,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">9:10 Ironwestie Hm...I don't think that your layout is the best solution, though I see what you're trying to say.


 * I don't think there is a "best solution" right now, though.


 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(137,151,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">9:11 GorillaMan Again, I am for from saying that my layout is THE solution because from what I have learned in the years of running wikis that there is no perfect solution


 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(137,151,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">9:12 Ironwestie By "your layout" I meant that the general idea of your layout's theme.


 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(137,151,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">9:13 GorillaMan I am actually looking forward for someone one day coming along and taking the layout I suggested and putting his own twists and improvements on it


 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(137,151,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">9:14 Ironwestie But in its current state, do you think it is right for the wiki? Even if it isn't THE solution, as you said.


 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(137,151,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">9:15 GorillaMan Again as I mentioned before, with your (and other peoples) help I want to get the new layout implemented on the current pages and if we see ways to improve it we can do it


 * I am not just saying this because its my layout but I do believe it is better for the wiki


 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(137,151,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">9:16 Ironwestie Well, we could try. Anyway, if it doesn't work out we can also click "undo".


 * always*


 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(137,151,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">9:16 GorillaMan Yes




 * There is another point I want to discuss


 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(137,151,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">9:16 Ironwestie Go ahead.


 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(137,151,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">9:17 GorillaMan That is to do with "over information"


 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(137,151,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">9:17 Ironwestie Over information?


 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(137,151,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">9:17 GorillaMan let me explain


 * Cows eat Cow feed


 * hence including Cow Feed on the Cow page is correct as it is directly liked with Cows


 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(137,151,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">9:18 Ironwestie You mean redundancy.


 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(137,151,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">9:18 GorillaMan However, I have noticed this a lot that I am not saying its you but users of this wiki go and further explain Cow Feed on the Cow page


 * Cow Feed takes 10 minutes to produce, feeds three cows (for three cow feed produced), and requires: Corn (1x) Soybean (2x)




 * "Cow Feed takes 10 minutes to produce, feeds three cows (for three cow feed produced), and requires: Corn (1x) Soybean (2x)"


 * This extract is taken from the cow page


 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(137,151,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">9:19 Ironwestie Over information is not needed. That is why links to other pages exist.


 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(137,151,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">9:19 GorillaMan Exactly


 * If we explain Cow Feed on the Cow page the Cow Feed page is useless


 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(137,151,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">9:20 Ironwestie Other than those points, explaining cows is basically confined to the infobox.


 * I see.


 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(137,151,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">9:21 GorillaMan These are the 2 major things I wanted to discuss


 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(137,151,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">9:22 Ironwestie Right.


 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(137,151,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">9:22 GorillaMan So are you happy to introduce the new layout to the Hay Day wiki


 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(137,151,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">9:23 Ironwestie I'm willing to try it out. I also have a suggestion.


 * Why not implement a manual of style to this wiki as well?


 * That way this will be avoided.


 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(137,151,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">9:23 GorillaMan Could you please explain?


 * Like a set of rules to follow?


 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(137,151,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">9:24 Ironwestie http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Assassin's_Creed_Wiki:Manual_of_Style/Sampleand wikipedia's


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style


 * More like a guideline.


 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(137,151,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">9:25 GorillaMan To be honest I don't see the need of it


 * If a new animal/building comes out


 * one of us can implement the layout


 * and I am sure other users won't want to change it up


 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(137,151,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">9:26 Ironwestie Now I think you're thinking too far ahead.


 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(137,151,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">9:27 GorillaMan ?


 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(137,151,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">9:27 Ironwestie There's no telling how the layout will develop, or if it will succeed or not.


 * There's also pages like the diamond page.


 * They have no need of infoboxes, but they have text that is not formatted properly or needs information.


 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(137,151,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">9:29 GorillaMan I will think about pages such as the Diamond page later


 * firstly I just want to sort out all the building, products and animal pages


 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(137,151,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">9:29 Ironwestie I am fine with going along with your idea for now.


 * Should I make a summary of what we discussed somewhere on the wiki?


 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(137,151,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">9:33 GorillaMan I am not sure if you need to mention all thing things about the layout however a post about "over information on page" and "duplicate information" would benefit the wiki


 * Thank you


 * It was nice meeting you and a pleasure talking to you!


 * <span class="time" style="color:rgb(137,151,156);float:right;font-size:12px;">9:35 Ironwestie You too. I enjoyed this conversation.