User:Ironwestie/Archive 2

This conversation took place on Skype chat between User:Ironwestie and User:Bradyb1999 in response to the issues posted in Thread:18706. This has been archived with permission by both parties and has been kept for reference. ~ironwestie (talk to me) 03:46, March 26, 2015 (UTC)

[7:35:00 PM] Iron: Hi all. [7:35:30 PM] Brady: Hello Iron [7:35:54 PM] Iron: I want to talk about the issues that are on the thread now since I have a little time. [7:36:09 PM] Brady: Alright I've got some time also. Just making images for Clash [7:36:19 PM] Iron: For one, I don't mind either of you become Administrator or Bureaucrat. [7:36:40 PM] Iron: I just felt surprised that GorillaMan didn't talk to me about it beforehand. [7:37:30 PM] Brady: Thank you. And right I completely understand. I think why he wanted to take over the Wiki was because he noticed you made a going inactive note and he didn't want to be stuck at admin not able to promote other admins to come help with the Wiki. [7:37:40 PM] Iron: ah. [7:37:55 PM] Brady: He talked to me about it when I first joined. He told me how the Wiki needed more help. [7:38:43 PM] Iron: It certainly does. And I will need to take a short break eventually. For now, though, let's talk about the present. [7:39:04 PM] Brady: Alright. [7:39:25 PM] Iron: Barnswallow seems to be unsure about your motivations and plans. [7:39:31 PM] Iron: I'd like to know them as well. [7:40:41 PM] Iron: And, yes, I did read your reply. [7:40:53 PM] Brady: Ok. So first when I joined I talked to GMan I talked about making images for the Wiki. Excuse me if it takes me awhile to reply because I am checking my Skype history with GMan to give you accurate info. [7:41:06 PM] Iron: Take your time. [7:43:30 PM] Brady: I noticed the Wiki was not as popular and I asked GMan about it and he said the bureaucrat was inactive and you were also. He mentioned how he needed help around the Wiki so I gladly said yes and he said he would try to promote me so I could help out more but first he would have to become a bureaucrat so he put in an order. During that time I noticed some of the links on the navigation had gone bad so I talked to him about that and I think that's when I brought up redoing some stuff. [7:45:08 PM] Brady: He told me he had a sandbox on some things he wanted to change so I asked if I could maybe help with some things. I made my own sandbox and first started on a page design. So as I said in my reply it does look like I want to change it to the Clash Wiki but again I want to update the pages. [7:46:24 PM] Brady: Back in 2012 that was the style around every Wiki, the one we currently have. I was a fan of main images and the setup my friend made. I think it shows good info and then I tried to incorporate the info box you guys had on the Wheat page. I am trying to create a good compromise between the two designs but I would like to know what you think. [7:47:07 PM] Brady: I feel like images make the Wiki look better instead of a lot of info and tables. But again I tried to combine the two. [7:47:52 PM] Brady: http://hayday.wikia.com/wiki/Bradyb1999/Sandbox/Roadside_Shop Here is my sandbox for the buildings. This one looks identical to the Clash. [7:48:11 PM] Brady: http://hayday.wikia.com/wiki/Bradyb1999/Sandbox/Wheat This is my sandbox for crops. Again with the two combines ideas. [7:48:59 PM] Brady: http://hayday.wikia.com/wiki/User:Bradyb1999/Sandbox/Wheat other was a bad link. [7:49:14 PM] Iron: Hm. [7:49:30 PM] Iron: This design would work well on some pages, but not so much on others. [7:49:42 PM] Brady: Which do you think they would not? [7:49:56 PM] Iron: For instance, some product pages are just the infobox and a short introduction. [7:50:06 PM] Iron: Some crop pages also have this characteristic. [7:50:09 PM] Iron: However: [7:50:58 PM] Iron: Some pages are more "encyclopedic" than others. What I mean by that is that they provide an overview of the topic and act as a platform for readers to travel to more specific pages. [7:51:12 PM] Iron: Like the Fishing page. [7:51:37 PM] Iron: I don't think that the design works well with that much information. [7:51:59 PM] Iron: (http://hayday.wikia.com/wiki/Fishing) [7:52:52 PM] Brady: I see, I know I could make it look good with the design but if you feel like the design would not work for all pages I understand. Think we can think of some new ideas also? [7:53:15 PM] Brady: On Clash (sorry if I refer to Clash too much) we have lots of info on each page and it looks fair. [7:53:27 PM] Iron: May I see an example? [7:54:01 PM] Brady: http://clashofclans.wikia.com/wiki/Clans Has a lot of info. I redesigned the page not too long ago. [7:54:14 PM] Brady: It is not the best example, but that's if it has a huge amount of information. [7:54:53 PM] Iron: To be honest, I don't see a whole lot of difference between that layout and the one currently on the wiki. [7:55:00 PM | Edited 7:55:04 PM] Iron: There might be some images missing, but that's it. [7:55:20 PM] Iron: (By "wiki" I mean the Hay Day Wiki) [7:56:08 PM] Brady: Yea. I designed that one to kind of a default design. The type of design I am shooting for is this. http://clashofclans.wikia.com/wiki/Army_Camp [7:56:47 PM] Brady | BradyB1999: It does not have to be exact or even really close, but I want to know what you think about main images and the images under that. That is kind of my favourite addition. [7:57:27 PM] Iron: If it's just that, than I have no qualms about it. [7:57:38 PM] Iron: It's mostly about what to do with infoboxes and such. [7:58:15 PM] Iron: You could make it into a list, I know. [7:58:22 PM] Brady: I see. What would you like to change on my Wheat sandbox? (http://hayday.wikia.com/wiki/User:Bradyb1999/Sandbox/Wheat) [message removed] [7:58:44 PM] Brady: I like the Infobox on the side in my opinion. It's a bit different from what I've seen. [7:59:53 PM] Iron: I'm not one that is usually nit-picky about optimization, but I'm also not sure about the fact that some information is absent. [8:00:12 PM] Iron: Sorry, "optimization" is not the right word [8:00:26 PM] Iron: I meant that it needs a little bit more improvement. [8:00:50 PM] Brady: Ok. Do you mean the info from the "used in" section? [8:00:55 PM] Iron: Yes. [8:01:54 PM] Brady: Alright. I talked to GMan about that. He said "I think its a good idea to have all the things a certain product can make however I think its redundant to give all information about that product". [8:02:08 PM] Iron: That's something that you'll have to talk about with the community. [8:02:17 PM] Iron: We discussed this earlier, Gorilla Man and I. [8:02:39 PM] Brady: He said you disagreed with the idea [8:02:57 PM] Iron: Yes, I did. Let me bring up my archive... [8:03:10 PM] Brady: Ok. [8:03:15 PM] Iron: http://hayday.wikia.com/wiki/User:Ironwestie/Archive_1 [8:03:27 PM] Iron: There was also a discussion on the forums: [8:03:47 PM] Iron: http://hayday.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:7362 as well as [8:04:01 PM] Brady: Alright lemme read em :) [8:05:40 PM] Iron: http://hayday.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:7404  [8:05:50 PM] Iron: and  [8:05:52 PM] Iron: http://hayday.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:12619  [8:05:57 PM] Iron: lots o' discussions.  [8:07:02 PM] Iron: I believe the idea was "vetoed" by Lamiah2o regardless of our discussion (even though she technically did not have the power to do so).  [8:07:55 PM] Brady: So what it looks like is GMan proposed the idea and you think that they should stay there because it's a quicker glance [8:08:13 PM] Iron: "They"?  [8:08:29 PM] Brady: as in info. Sorry my grammar is not the best. [8:09:20 PM] Brady: So you think the info should stay on the main page because it is a quicker glance for the wikipedian? [8:09:37 PM] Brady: By main page I mean Wheat [8:09:55 PM] Iron: The "main" part of the page? [8:10:09 PM] Iron: Like, not the infobox. [8:11:08 PM] Brady: Ok I'll explain it better, my bad :P Do you think the info for each product on the Wheat page should not be deleted because someone who visits our Wiki can view the info on the Wheat page instead of having to visit the other pages, like "Bread" and "Cookie" [8:11:53 PM] Iron: I am neutral on the "over information" debate. I can't speak for every reader that comes on the wiki and nor will I try to. The debate was never resolved. [8:12:07 PM] Iron: I lean more towards keeping it, though. [8:13:56 PM] Brady: Ok. What if we widened the table and put the info under instead of to the side. Once the table runs out of space you start another table under that one with a new product. [8:14:35 PM] Brady: If that is possible or would even look good. I just think I don't like the table currently with the info is because it's a little long and simple? IDK how to really explain it. [8:15:06 PM] Iron: So every row is a separate product...? [8:15:20 PM] Iron: I'm sorry, I don't know what you are thinking of. [8:15:34 PM] Iron: every column? [8:15:38 PM] Brady: Yes [8:15:51 PM] Brady: Each column is a product with the info under it. [8:16:35 PM] Iron: I'm assuming you're taking this from the CoC wiki's method of using tables, right? I'll take a look at those first. [8:17:16 PM] Brady Essentially yes [8:17:57 PM] Iron: Hm. I think I need to model this first. I don't know if the information will fit if presented in this way. [8:18:13 PM] Iron: You'd need the column headers to the left [8:18:40 PM] Brady: I will try to model it and if I can't do it Spottra has proposed to me that he can code things for us [8:18:56 PM] Iron: Ah, the mighty wizard Spottra! [8:19:02 PM] Iron: Of course. [8:19:30 PM] Brady: He has done a lot of coding on the CoC Wiki so I am sure he can do a simple table. But first I'll try it myself [8:20:01 PM] Iron: Yeah, I know 'im. He's helped me on the wiki a lot of times, actually. [8:20:10 PM] Brady: Oh nice :) [8:20:54 PM] Iron: I think that's everything I wanted to discuss. [8:21:00 PM] Iron: For now, at least.  [8:21:29 PM] Brady: Alright, just message on here if you need anything else. I am pretty active on Skype.  [redacted]  [8:22:57 PM] Iron: Ciao.